Hi all! Newbye thread:

[veroslow]

Hi guys I was a starcraft brood war 1v1 ladder player on iccup (dunno if you know o,o) Recently i stopped plaing starcraft becouse I started to work too much and I am too lazy for do my best in 1v1 (starcraft require at last fu**ng 200 apm (action per minut) for play decently).
Ages ago I played LOM first version and I liked a lot but the longevity was very short especially for the map editor limits and some annoyng bugs.
But now i found you! This special edition and this mod are awersome and I am very surprised to see a comunity around this classic (did not even know that there was "SE")

Well now switch to the questions:

. Is the Death AI ballanced? (single player)
The difficult level change the Death AI cheating like how say the original LOM manual? The Difficult level change the AI faiths strength above the difficulty of dangeons?

. I like the idea of 2v2/3v3/ play instead of a random adventure in Urak (maybe is a starcraft inheritance of direct competitive play) but I am sure that we could make some maps with the "DOTA" style or something like this for multy or single mode, with allyed position and great battles in the middle. Well the question is: I'v readed that the maps for multy should be with all capitals, but when you start the game with 6 or 4 players, remaining capitals disappear or remain?

. Will be possible to add more hotkeys for the real time battle?
for example the very important "A move" wich if you don t know how to do at last you can send all the army to the attack instead to send all the army against 1 unit [Laugh out Loud] or instead to say to 1 unit for time to attack another unit (like age of empires, I hate age of empires) o,o

. Is possible to choice the village alternative faith? (map editor) if not I hope it will add o,o

. Is possible to choice the terrain of a new map? (instead of take 2 hours to fill of whother a big map)

. Where I could find the LOM SE official PDF manual? "SE" (at last for learn units stats explanation etc.)

. Is here some strategic threads?

. What is the right ally combos? life/whother/order vs death/fire/chaos ?
Can you say to me some hoter combos? (I know here is the resistence stats but it say only for 2v2)

Thx guys I will apreciate some good reply and explanation I am totally new. o,o

Special thx to Mantera who did what exactly I dreamed for years! ;D

[Boaster]

Sept 1, 2009 6:08:31 GMT -6 veroslow said:

. Is the Death AI ballanced? (single player)
The difficult level change the Death AI cheating like how say the original LOM manual? The Difficult level change the AI faiths strength above the difficulty of dangeons?

The only thing the Difficulty Level changes are the player's starting resources, which AI player is active with their great temple already liberated and how much of an experience bonus Death gets.

The AI isn't any smarter than it once was. Although I have been able to make slight improvements.

Sept 1, 2009 6:08:31 GMT -6 veroslow said:

. I like the idea of 2v2/3v3/ play instead of a random adventure in Urak (maybe is a starcraft inheritance of direct competitive play) but I am sure that we could make some maps with the "DOTA" style or something like this for multy or single mode, with allyed position and great battles in the middle. Well the question is: I'v readed that the maps for multy should be with all capitals, but when you start the game with 6 or 4 players, remaining capitals disappear or remain?

LOMSE is like Warcraft 2 and 3 in small ways, but you will never have real time battles between more than two armies at once.

Sept 1, 2009 6:08:31 GMT -6 veroslow said:

. Will be possible to add more hotkeys for the real time battle?
for example the very important "A move" wich if you don t know how to do at last you can send all the army to the attack instead to send all the army against 1 unit [Laugh out Loud] or instead to say to 1 unit for time to attack another unit (like age of empires, I hate age of empires) o,o

You're talking about 'Attack' Move. There's not an 'Attack move' command per se, but you can press the 'D' key and select a location. This was supposed to allow the unit's to defend that spot, to hold ground there, but that's bugged. To the best of my knowledge, the 'Defend Location' will give you the closest results.

Sept 1, 2009 6:08:31 GMT -6 veroslow said:

. Is possible to choice the village alternative faith? (map editor) if not I hope it will add o,o

In the map editor, you can choose which default village you want to place, but it will always randomize between the neighboring faiths.

Sept 1, 2009 6:08:31 GMT -6 veroslow said:

. Is possible to choice the terrain of a new map? (instead of take 2 hours to fill of whother a big map)

There's a generate map function, which will generate a map with default terrains at each player's locations. But to create the whole map as one single default starting terrain? No, except for the faceless terrain.

Sept 1, 2009 6:08:31 GMT -6 veroslow said:

. Where I could find the LOM SE official PDF manual? "SE" (at last for learn units stats explanation etc.)

I don't rightly know off hand.

Sept 1, 2009 6:08:31 GMT -6 veroslow said:

. Is here some strategic threads?

Yes. Look in some of the Thief discussion threads, or perhaps Infantry/Missile/Cavalry threads.

Sept 1, 2009 6:08:31 GMT -6 veroslow said:

. What is the right ally combos? life/whother/order vs death/fire/chaos ?
Can you say to me some hoter combos? (I know here is the resistence stats but it say only for 2v2)

That's for you to decide.

Sept 1, 2009 6:08:31 GMT -6 veroslow said:

Special thx to Mantera who did what exactly I dreamed for years! ;D

You're welcome.

[veroslow]

Sept 1, 2009 12:40:33 GMT -6 Boaster said:

The only thing the Difficulty Level changes are the player's starting resources, which AI player is active with their great temple already liberated and how much of an experience bonus Death gets.

The AI isn't any smarter than it once was. Although I have been able to make slight improvements.

So death are imba atm? I noticed that he have a lot of more resource than hoter players at the start. So it will be imba in 2 cases:

1: in single player if you don t use life faith

2: in multy player if you won t to add 1 AI ally to each faction

Sept 1, 2009 12:40:33 GMT -6 Boaster said:

LOMSE is like Warcraft 2 and 3 in small ways, but you will never have real time battles between more than two armies at once.

Really I meant totally an other thing.
I have the original LOM I played it some times, I know the basic mecanic of the game.
I like too the solo role play style with LOM but I like the 2v2 or 3v3 or 4v4 madness too with direct contact and direct/semi direct (W3 like) pvp battle with allyed faiths capitals close each hoters and a neutral "bridge-ground" with the most of important dongeon.And this forum sould be multyplayer oriented right?
I never played DOTA but I know how it work and I think DOTA mecanic (or just W3 in mirror map) could be applied to LOM and I am sure that with LOM will be another genre but more funny then DOTA or W3 becouse of: Big armies/big battles/more fronts at the same time/dongeons etc. Here is an example, I uploaded a map that I just maded yesterday,
you should be able to download it.

**Attacment is in the next post** o,o


Take it like an idea this is my first map o,o
The mecanic is just fast-paced-pvp-competitive-direct-play, with this kind of map the mecanic is more clear in my opinion, LOM have a lot of role play things but it is a strategic game, or better, a team strategic game. In this map a player will choice clear and different start build orders and strategy, for example:

Fire player say: "I made 2 barrac and I drop whoter!" (maded whoter direct ways in the map)

death Team play: "all make merchenaries and go rush!"

The potential of this game in terms of build orders and strategy is huge in my opinion. Not the same in terms of ballancing becouse of the number of races and artifact.



In DOTA you have a 3 ways map in this case I maded a 1 way map (more insane madness [Laugh out Loud]) but I added an extended neutral area for special dongeons in the middle, so you will choice to try to take more exp from big dongeons or engage pvp direcly, but in each cases you have to move close to the enemy and if you won to go for more dongeons (creeping) the risk of encounter other players, still high.

You havn't reply at this question: Multyplayer maps have to be with all faiths, all the faiths capitals remain in the game even if they isn't choiced (like in 3v3 or 2v2)?
If yes I really would not like becouse I like pure race play (becouse of ballancing) or at max only with coquered enemy capitals (that in a map like this is something hard to mantain control of an enemy capital if you aren't winning) ;P
In single player if you won t to play 3v3 or 2v2 instead of 4v4, you can just erase the faith that you don t won t, with a good result in this map. But how is possible in multyplayer?

Another map editor question: What is the veried rotation on/of option in the props?

Sept 1, 2009 12:40:33 GMT -6 Boaster said:

You're talking about 'Attack' Move. There's not an 'Attack move' command per se, but you can press the 'D' key and select a location. This was supposed to allow the unit's to defend that spot, to hold ground there, but that's bugged. To the best of my knowledge, the 'Defend Location' will give you the closest results.

Unfortunately "Defend location" just don t work in this way.
I know that in single player you can pause the battle and say to each unit what to do, but I mean in multyplayer when you havn't the time to do it, could be good to add "A" "Attac" command button. Moreover I think that without A command multyplayer battles are imba, becouse for example life just old position hes mass archers and chaos have to become crazy with all those melee units. Maybe it would be possible to add a new button using modified "defend location" with the defend area xtended all over the arena.

Sept 1, 2009 12:40:33 GMT -6 Boaster said:

In the map editor, you can choose which default village you want to place, but it will always randomize between the neighboring faiths.

Very important for map ballancing in my opinion

Sept 1, 2009 12:40:33 GMT -6 Boaster said:

There's a generate map function, which will generate a map with default terrains at each player's locations. But to create the whole map as one single default starting terrain? No, except for the faceless terrain.

Sept 1, 2009 12:40:33 GMT -6 Boaster said:

I don't rightly know off hand.

Sept 1, 2009 12:40:33 GMT -6 Boaster said:

Yes. Look in some of the Thief discussion threads, or perhaps Infantry/Missile/Cavalry threads.

Can you give me links? ;D

Sept 1, 2009 12:40:33 GMT -6 Boaster said:

That's for you to decide.

Ok np I just readed your post where you explain that here are 2 opposit faction good/evil

Sept 1, 2009 12:40:33 GMT -6 Boaster said:

You're welcome.

Thx ;D


P.s. if you could add in my map the right encounters in the right dongeon o,o I will learn how to add special dongeons and I will be very gratefull and I will apreciate avry suggestion and modify for this map.

Thx again

[veroslow]

Attacment try O,O

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[Boaster]

Sept 2, 2009 4:43:43 GMT -6 veroslow said:

Attacment try O,O

Why do you need me to do this? Why can't you?

[veroslow]

Sept 2, 2009 12:17:41 GMT -6 Boaster said:

Sept 2, 2009 4:43:43 GMT -6 veroslow said:

Attacment try O,O

Why do you need me to do this? Why can't you?

[Laugh out Loud] what?

[veroslow]

Ok I added dongeons!
I maded this map with hurry becouse I have no time, so it lack in sprites and decorations and some other things.
You are free to improve this map as you won t

Feel free to add comments and suggestion in this thread, about this map and this map style.

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[veroslow]

Hey! Can I found somewhere a name list of those new GS5 mod aviable lords?

[veroslow]

Map update! v 1.01

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